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Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« on: January 24, 2012, 03:33:29 PM »
CBS Sports' Jon Heyman reports that the Tigers have signed Prince Fielder to a nine-year, $214 million deal.

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Re: Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2012, 11:24:40 PM »
CBS Sports' Jon Heyman reports that the Tigers have signed Prince Fielder to a nine-year, $214 million deal.

Gamer, c'mon brother, you HAVE to have some editorial comments on this signing?!?!?!?!  rofl rofl  Let's start slowly...you in favor or no?  rofl rofl  You can take a day or two to absorb and process!  rofl  $214 over 9 is pretty lofty.  Really curious to hear what the buzz is from Tiger fans.  You're as tuned into baseball moves, yet stays objective, as anyone I know.
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Re: Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2012, 01:27:16 AM »
CBS Sports' Jon Heyman reports that the Tigers have signed Prince Fielder to a nine-year, $214 million deal.

Gamer, c'mon brother, you HAVE to have some editorial comments on this signing?!?!?!?!  rofl rofl  Let's start slowly...you in favor or no?  rofl rofl  You can take a day or two to absorb and process!  rofl  $214 over 9 is pretty lofty.  Really curious to hear what the buzz is from Tiger fans.  You're as tuned into baseball moves, yet stays objective, as anyone I know.
The buzz around here this was the owner that wanted him more than anything.
I think losing Martinez had a lot to do with that. Mike Illitch has done this before with the Wings and Tigers in the past.
Pudge and Magglio were all him when they signed here. I also heard that he has a solid relationship with the agent involved Boros.

I felt all along that there was no NL team that was going to sign him longer than 4 years.
As far as the AL. There was rumors that Toronto, Baltimore and Texas were a possible landing spot.
But it's clear now nobody was going to offer him long term money. I think that's what made the Tigers go in for the dollar amount and years.

How do I feel...
Right now I think it's a great move. Will I feel that way 5 years from now. Who knows.
The Tigers have a solid top 3 as far as starters go. Add that in with a pretty decent 3 at the end of the bullpen.
So when you look at their potential line up in 2012
Jackson
Boesh
Cabrera
Fielder
Peralta
Avila
Delmon Young
2B Santiago / Rayburn
3B Inge / Kelly

Outside of the last 2 that is a pretty solid line up. Next year you should have Victor back. So the line up gets even stronger.
I think this move gives them a solid chance to be a contender for the next 3 years. Barring any major injuries.
Since he wasn't traded. You will also have a young pitching prospect in Jacob Turner added to the rotation. Plus they have 2 more solid pitching prospects right behind him. They also have a solid 3B prospect that is two years away if all goes well.

When you look at the financial aspect. For year one you in reality traded Maggs and Carlos Guillens expired contracts for Fielder.
Next year they also have some big money coming off the books. So the money is not an issue until year 3 of this deal when Victor's 15 million comes off the books.

Let's look at two big contracts done earlier and why they were done.
Pujos. Angels new TV deal gave them the cash to make this move.
Reyes. Marlins new ballpark !
That place will be packed for the first year because it's new. If they compete, then maybe two years of sellouts.
Florida is a bad place for a MLB team. So in 2 years I think Ramirez and Reyes could be gone if not both.
But for right now they have the cash flow to sign guys.

From the Tigers end. I think there is something brewing here. My thought is that Mr I might start his own network like the Yankees did.
Or...Gets a new big money deal with Fox Sports.
Mr I owns the Tigers and Wings. Two of the biggest rating draws in this town and on that network.
He also owns a major Pizza franchise, casino downtown and a few other companies and property.
With his own network he can advertise his products and sell advertising.
Lets not forget. This guy also tried to buy the Pistons at one point. Who are also on Fox sports Detroit.
While it's not been talked about a lot here. I think he is on the verge of getting some huge tv revenue one way or the other.

I have a hard time even thinking Fielder will be productive 9 years down the road.
But why even think that long ahead. If this gives this team a strong 5 year run. Then they will also rake in money at the gate.
My guess is they will use Miggy at 3rd again in year two. This year he will probably DH in place of Martinez.
Next year they will have to figure out a long term plan for Miggy. But for now. It gives them a solid line up.

It's easy to say Fielder will be fat and unable to produce down the road.
So the risk is about the same as paying over 111 million over 6 years for a pitcher who has never pitched in MLB.
Like Texas just did.
At least you know what your getting with the other big contracts that were signed so far.
Pujos is just as big a risk. Based on the fact he is 5 years older than Fielder.
It's easy to say what a guy will be worth in the back end of the deal. But the Tigers are looking to win now.
Their division has done very little to close the gap with them. They won last year by 15 games. Without Prince.
I think they feel this gives them a better chance to win and go deeper in the playoffs.

Of course they know there is huge risk on this deal when he is north of 30.
But lets be real here for a second. He drops down to a 25 homer guy. Teams at that time will probably be paying 30 million for a guy that can hit 5 more.

There is risk for sure. But if the owner has no problem with it. I don't either.
My guess is if he stays healthy. He will be the DH when Victor comes off the books. Miggy back to first and their young 3B will be ready.
I'm sure they are probably looking at this at least 4 years ahead. Again if all goes well health and skill wise...
Then they will still have a young rotation, with 3 more arms on their way up.

Long winded response. But to wrap it up.
I will enjoy it for now. This is much better than watching Cabrera leading the AL in walks this year.
He had a monster year with Martinez behind him. I think you can expect close to that level with Fielder behind him as well.
I thought the current team before Fielder had a chance to win the central again this year. But would have probably been one and done.
I think Mr I also did this for Detroit. If that park is filled every night. Than the surrounding business's will gain revenue from that as well.

It was not mentioned before. But when the big 3 auto companies were in the shit.
GM could no longer pay for their big billboard at Comerica Park. Instead of giving them the boot.
Illitch instead added one for Ford and one for Chrysler for free along with the current GM sign.

Bottom line the move is good for the Tigers and the city of Detroit...Right now.
Hard to find anybody that can argue with that. So yeah. I like the move.
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Re: Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2012, 06:48:03 AM »
If there could have been a way to get Martinez, Cabrera and Fielder in this line up with Jackson and Boesch 1 and 2 this would have rivaled any line up in the AL.  The loss of Martinez's bat for another year is huge.  Avila though could be a similar player to Martinez.  He has a nice stroke and good average.  Peralta, Avila and Young is a pretty nice 567 which will put up runs!!


 

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Re: Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2012, 01:26:31 PM »
Awesome write up brother!  beer2  I knew you wouldn't disappoint. rofl

I can't disagree with any of your points.  To me, the length of the deal was the only scary aspect, but he's still young.  It's not the same deal as Pujols or what the Yankees are looking at paying an aging ARod over the next 5 or 6 years. 

You didn't mention Fielders tie's with Detroit which should keep him happy and help putting asses in seats all that much more. 

The immediate future looks really bright for your boys.  If they cash in even one World Series winning ticket, the deal is a success.   Mr I is an owner alot of cities should be envious of.

Congrats! beer2 beer2

Would have liked the Nats to have landed him, but that number of years isn't feasible in the NL.  Plus, they're going to have to worry about paying Strasburg, Harper, R. Zimmerman and Storen (to a lesser extent).  And, they have that ridiculous Werth contract to maneuver around.  I felt like Boras was just dangling the Nats anyhow, like he always does.
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Re: Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2012, 01:40:10 PM »
the tigers should be strong do you think feilder will have to make some adjustments because the american league throws more junk. Just curious
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Re: Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2012, 02:04:09 PM »
Laker I think the Nats might be silent players for Cespedes. They can ride out Laroche for one more year.
Then move Morse to first base in 2013. Even if they don't get Cespedes this year. They could make a free agent play in 2013 for Upton.
myself I think that is the better move. I'm not sure Cespedes is MLB ready and it could take 60 million to sign him.
With Upton. You have a solid outfield of Werth, Harper and Upton. Then you have Morse and Zimmerman at the corners.
Espinosa and Desmond continue to develop. Then your looking at a young strong ass line up.

The more I think about this Fielder deal. The more I think Martinez will possible be traded before 2013.
His contract in 2013 is 13 million and drops to 12 million in the final year.
When you look at teams that need a DH, people tend to forget one. In 2013 Houston moves to the AL west.
So the Tigers could trade Martinez and cash for some prospects or a need...
Not sure where Michael Young's contract in Texas is at. But even a year left the money would be close to the same.
So I could see them being trade partners. Young could play 2nd or 3rd here. Then Miggs and Prince could split DH and 1B in 2013.
Even better if their top 3B prospect is ready. But I think late 2013 is probably more realistic.

I was reading up on the Tigers prospects this morning. They look to have two positional prospects, 3 starters and 3 power arms for the bullpen.
I mentioned in another thread earlier this point. When you start to lock up your main roster for two or three years in advance.
It keeps you from trading your top prospects to fill needs. So not only can you develop your current prospects.
Get them to the big club on the cheap for 3 or 4 years. You also can restock your minor league system for future years or trades if needed.
I know it's easy to look at a free agent signing and point to the financial impact. but that is just lazy.
Some of these signings provide multiple trickle down effects that can play out up to 5 years down the road.

I left out the obvious connection prince had here with the Tigers. But found it cool when they were showing footage of him as a kid taking BP at old Tiger Stadium.
About Mr I. You hit the nail right on the head. One of the most underrated owners in pro sports history.
The man is 82 years old. He has won the Stanley Cup numerous times. He wants a World Series trophy to add to his collection.
More importantly he wants it for Detroit.
Most people that rip this deal have no idea about downtown Detroit these days.
That area around the ballpark is striving again. casino's , fine dining, shopping and hotels surround that ballpark.
With the Illitch family owning some of the above mentioned.

Detroit gets a bad rap. But you can even ask icedragon on here about that area.
We met at the Casino bar and walked over to a Lions game. From what people see portrayed on TV. They would be shocked to see that area.
So 3 million baseball fans spending the summer down there would be a huge boost in helping Detroit rebound and come alive again.

Last thought on Washington.
I give the Nats all the credit in the world. Losing sucks ass. I'm a Lions and Cubs fan and had my fair share of that feeling.
But KC and Washington are doing a damn fine job of building long term contending teams.
It might suck to miss out on adding big names right now. But both of those teams are building a team to compete long term.
I would not be surprised to see both of those teams being good over bets this year for total wins

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Re: Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2012, 02:18:12 PM »
Well,,,I'm just glad he's out of the National League Central  loldog  (Being a die hard Birds on the bat fan)

Gamer, I think he is a wonderful addition to your team, the guy can flat rake, a bit of pitching adjustment the first year but he will be fine.  redbmug
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Re: Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2012, 02:20:55 PM »
the tigers should be strong do you think feilder will have to make some adjustments because the american league throws more junk. Just curious
He has to make adjustments for sure. But so do all the pitchers that have to face him for the first time.
last night I heard over 92 games vs the AL he had 26 homers. So he has already put up numbers in small doses.

One more thought on him. Not directed at you Frao.
But the talk of him being a sure bet to break down is pure speculation based on ZERO stats.

2006 157 games played
2007 158 games played
2008 159 games played
2009 162 games played
2010 161 games played
2011 162 games played

Those games played are almost identical to Cabrera and Adrian Gonzalez who are 29 to 30+ years old.
Prince is 27 going on 28. So the only real data to suggest he will break down is his size.
Cabrera is 30 pounds heavier than when he played 160 games in 2004. So at a heavier playing weight he played 161 games in 2011.

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Re: Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2012, 02:23:16 PM »
Well,,,I'm just glad he's out of the National League Central  loldog  (Being a die hard Birds on the bat fan)

Gamer, I think he is a wonderful addition to your team, the guy can flat rake, a bit of pitching adjustment the first year but he will be fine.  redbmug
Speaking of your team.
I think the Cards did well in signing Beltran. Now Berkman can move to first base full time

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Re: Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2012, 12:55:37 AM »
Man, you think about moving M. Young into that lineup and you start feeling sorry for AL Central teams. 

I read that Tigers are looking at Edwin Jackson (again).  Might not be a bad short term addition?

Nats are looking better and better.  I'm hoping for a breakout year from Desmond and some plate discipline for Espinosa.  Could be a great tandem for a number of years.  Ramos should be thankful to be back in the USSA  foclaugh, love to have a big year from him too.  They've got young talent and more on the way.  Phillies and Braves are a problem, however.
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Re: Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2012, 10:13:01 AM »
the tigers should be strong do you think feilder will have to make some adjustments because the american league throws more junk. Just curious
He has to make adjustments for sure. But so do all the pitchers that have to face him for the first time.
last night I heard over 92 games vs the AL he had 26 homers. So he has already put up numbers in small doses.

One more thought on him. Not directed at you Frao.
But the talk of him being a sure bet to break down is pure speculation based on ZERO stats.

2006 157 games played
2007 158 games played
2008 159 games played
2009 162 games played
2010 161 games played
2011 162 games played

Those games played are almost identical to Cabrera and Adrian Gonzalez who are 29 to 30+ years old.
Prince is 27 going on 28. So the only real data to suggest he will break down is his size.
Cabrera is 30 pounds heavier than when he played 160 games in 2004. So at a heavier playing weight he played 161 games in 2011.

From my recollection the only games he missed were due to rest.  No injuries that I remember. 

The old man played for 13 years although the final 4 were mop up.  Prince is a vegetarian and lives a rather wholesome lifestyle.  This guy will be producing in the final years of this contract.

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Re: Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2012, 10:27:04 AM »
I wonder if the National League is going to rethink the DH rule with Pujols and Fielder moving to the AL. I have to be honest that I like the pitcher batting as it forces the managers to make more decisions but if all the stars as they age gravitate to the AL because of the DH rule to extend their careers, you have to wonder if the NL doesn't make that move. If you think about it, the way starting pitchers are handled today makes adding the DH to the NL a natural move anyway. I for one am tired that both leagues use different rules, let's get on the same page and move on.

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Re: Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2012, 01:17:15 PM »
I wonder if the National League is going to rethink the DH rule with Pujols and Fielder moving to the AL. I have to be honest that I like the pitcher batting as it forces the managers to make more decisions but if all the stars as they age gravitate to the AL because of the DH rule to extend their careers, you have to wonder if the NL doesn't make that move. If you think about it, the way starting pitchers are handled today makes adding the DH to the NL a natural move anyway. I for one am tired that both leagues use different rules, let's get on the same page and move on.

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There was some talk about adding the DH to the NL prior to them agreeing on the new CBA.
Some people speculated NL owners wanted nothing to do with it. But it was more about cost than tradition.
The point was they would be adding salary by needing to carry an extra hitter.
It's clear why the players would want it. Just ask guys like Damon and Vlad who are still looking for work.

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Re: Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2012, 08:14:10 PM »
I did a quick list of starting DH's in the league:

Boston - Ortiz -36 - 230 lbs
Baltimore - Betemit - 30 - 220 lbs
Chisox - Dunn - 32 - 285lbs
Cleveland - Hafner - 34 - 240lbs
Detroit - Young - 26 - 200lbs
KC - Butler - 25 - 240 lbs
Angels - Abreu - 37 - 220lbs
Twins - Doumit - 30 215Lbs
Yanks - Jones - 34 - 230lbs
A's - Gomes - 31 -225lbs
Mariners - Montero - 22 - 235lbs
TB Rays - Scott - 33 - 205lbs
Texas - Napoli - 30 - 215lbs
Toronto - Encarnacion - 29 - 235 lbs

I just wanted to debunk the theory that it is just a bunch of fat, old washed up players trying to hang on for a few more years.... foclaugh foclaugh foclaugh

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Re: Tigers strike 9-year, $214M deal with Fielder
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2012, 02:01:38 PM »
I did a quick list of starting DH's in the league:

Boston - Ortiz -36 - 230 lbs
Baltimore - Betemit - 30 - 220 lbs
Chisox - Dunn - 32 - 285lbs
Cleveland - Hafner - 34 - 240lbs
Detroit - Young - 26 - 200lbs
KC - Butler - 25 - 240 lbs
Angels - Abreu - 37 - 220lbs
Twins - Doumit - 30 215Lbs
Yanks - Jones - 34 - 230lbs
A's - Gomes - 31 -225lbs
Mariners - Montero - 22 - 235lbs
TB Rays - Scott - 33 - 205lbs
Texas - Napoli - 30 - 215lbs
Toronto - Encarnacion - 29 - 235 lbs

I just wanted to debunk the theory that it is just a bunch of fat, old washed up players trying to hang on for a few more years.... foclaugh foclaugh foclaugh

Ortiz may have been 230 when he played for the Twins! foclaugh
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